Fruit and Starchy Vegetables with Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth
April 21, 2012 in FAQ, Gut Health, Paleo Modifications
Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth (SIBO) is a condition in which bacteria, yeast and/or fungi that would not normally reside in the digestive tract thrive in the small intestine (usually the third segment called the ileum, but they can work their way higher up the digestive tract to the jejunum and, in extreme cases, even the duodenum). They are usually mixed with your normal, beneficial bacteria who are also growing farther up the digestive tract than usual. SIBO typically goes hand in hand with a leaky gut and can actually perpetuate a leaky gut even after an individual adopts a strict paleo diet (even with the autoimmunity protocol and an effort to eat gut-healing foods). SIBO is also linked to gut-brain connection problems, especially in individuals who are stressed, depressed and/or not getting enough sleep (although which comes first is up for debate). Symptoms of SIBO include upset stomach, nausea, acid reflux, heartburn, burping, vomiting, bloating, gas pains, trapped gas, flatulence, diarrhea, constipation, and stomach pain. And it is very possible that the onset of symptoms was gradual enough that you might not even notice. Aside from having the bacterial count of your jejunum tested, a good indication that you have SIBO is if you have continued health issues even after adopting a paleo diet (not just gastrointestinal symptoms but also things like arthritis, skin conditions like psoriasis, difficulty in losing weight, or continued mood and energy level issues).
If you have or suspect that you have SIBO, one of the dietary recommendations for treating this condition (besides going paleo) is avoidance of all complex sugars. This means that starches and even disaccharides like sucrose are off limits. I have touched on this subject in a couple of posts (How Mood and Gut Health Are Linked, Repairing The Gut, and most recently, Modifying Paleo to Treat Psoriasis), but I felt like further explanation on this aspect of treating SIBO is probably overdue. The idea behind this recommendation is that by eating these more complex sugars, you are feeding the bad bacteria. Monosaccharides, like fructose and glucose, are the most easily absorbed sugars we can eat, so they are typically already absorbed by the time that meal gets to the lower small intestine where the “bad” bacteria are growing. Limiting yourself to monosaccharides helps to starve the bacteria in your small intestine. By consuming healthy probiotics (either in supplement form or from fermented foods like sauerkraut and coconut milk kefir
), you replenish the good bacteria that should be growing farther down your digestive tract.
Obviously paleo baking and anything high in sucrose is out. But, what does this mean for consuming fruits and starchy vegetables? There is actually alot of conflicting information out there. Two great resources are the GAPS (Gut and Psychology Syndrome) diet and the SCD (Specific Carbohydrate Diet) diet, which both limit carbohydrate intake by the type of sugars present in the foods (the books associated with these diets are titled Gut and Psychology Syndrome and Breaking the Vicious Cycle
, respectively). These diets were not developed within a paleo framework, but many of the ideas behind these diets are compatible. Both of these diets include stages in which you first abstain from nearly all carbohydrate sources and then you slowly add back more and more simple sugars into your diet. My recommendation to treat SIBO is to use elements of these diets and incorporate them into your implementation of a paleo diet (and I suggest doing the autoimmunity protocol which additionally avoids egg whites, nightshades, nuts and seeds for anyone suffering autoimmune condition and/or skin conditions).
So first, let’s tackle fruit. In GAPS and SCD, all fruit is restricted at first, but then added back in once the symptoms improve. Most fruit tends to have the majority of its sugar as fructose and glucose rather than disaccharides like sucrose, which is why most people tolerate them. Depending on what other health issues you are dealing with, you may want to try a few weeks without fruit or you may want to see if your symptoms improve by simply cutting out the more obvious sugars and starchy vegetables (see below). If you’re going to leave fruit in your diet, I suggest not going to town on it (although Prof. Loren Cordain is a big fan of not limiting fruit in a paleo diet, he does not address SIBO in either The Paleo Diet or The Paleo Answer
, both outstanding books BTW). Try limiting to 1-3 servings a day and see how you feel. Dried fruit, except dried apricots, dates, raisins and prunes, is restricted.
Now, let’s talk about starchy vegetables. Starch molecules are basically long chains of sugar and while they are great for slowing down the blood sugar spike after a meal (especially when the vegetable consumed is also fibrous like sweet potatoes), this also means those sugars are still not fully digested by the time they reach the “bad” bacteria. Again, all starchy vegetables are avoided in the first stages of both GAPS and SCD. And again, it’s up to you whether or not you want to approach it this way. In the symptom-free/maintenance phase, some starchy vegetables are allowed and some are not. Whether or not a starchy vegetable is recommended has to do with exactly how long the starch molecules are and whether or not it contains other factors that slow down digestion (like alot of fiber). Here is a table with the allowed and disallowed vegetables (plus a few extra that I thought you might be wondering about):
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Okay
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Avoid
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Artichoke, French
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Arrowroot
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Avocados
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Artichoke (Jerusalem)
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Ripe Bananas
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Bitter/Black Gourd
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Beets
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Green Bananas
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Carrots
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Chestnuts
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Celeriac (Celery Root)
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Jicama
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Ginger root
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Kohlrabi
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Mushrooms
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Okra
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Olives (preserved without sugar)
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Parsnips
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Pumpkin
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Plantains
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Rhubarb
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Sweet Potato
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Rutabaga
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Taro
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Summer Squash (like zucchini)
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Tapioca
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Turnips
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Yams
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Winter Squash (like butternut or acorn)
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Yucca
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Like everything in the paleo diet, this is a starting place. Really, you will probably just have to end up experimenting on yourself to figure out which foods you tolerate and which you don’t. Now that my diet is so clean, it is abundantly clear when I eat something I shouldn’t. For example, I can handle a small portion of fruit, but if I eat some paleo baking or a helping of sweet potato, I get very bloated, to the point where my stomach feels rock hard (and it’s sadly not all muscle, folks!). I will usually also notice a big drop in energy level and a dip in my mood and patience as well. Usually, my psoriasis will feel itchier and look redder too. It can take days to pass the gas (I find a large quantity of ginger tea helps immensely) and recover. This happens not when I binge on something horrible for me, but simply when I eat something that many people in the paleo community eat on a daily basis. It can be very frustrating and very discouraging, but I try and focus on the positive: I now know how to eat for my health issues and even if it’s sometimes hard to comply, I am no longer roaming in the dark taking scads of prescription medications. I am healing.






































Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I do have a question about whether or not I should avoid butternut and/or acorn squash?
Now I’m going to partake in one of my very ripe bananas that I was thinking I should avoid.
Ignore my previous question….now I see it after reading the list three times…
LOL! When I was researching for this post, I did the exact same thing!
Is there a diagnostic test for SIBO, or do you just go by symptoms? Thanks!
The official diagnostic test is to collect proximal small bowel aspirate through an endoscopic procedure and count the number and type of microorganisms growing there (they stick a very long tube down your throat and collect a sample). It’s a fairly invasive procedure, so I would only suggest going through it if knowing “for sure” would change how you proceed. It’s also possible to get a false negative if you have SIBO but have it farther down the digestive tract than they sample. I personally only suspect that I have SIBO based on symptoms and am going from there. I hope this helps!
Good Article on SIBO
Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS) and Gut Bacteria (SIBO) Definitively Linked
http://www.biginscience.com/home/2012/5/27/irritable-bowel-syndrome-ibs-and-gut-bacteria-sibo-definitiv.html
What is the reason behind the fact that, when following a strict diet, a lot of people seem to become very sensitive to stuff they weren’t before?
In my case, I used to eat tons of gluten without much problem, and now since I switched to paleo I’m VERY sensitive to wheat. What’s up with that?
I think there’s two things going on. First, I don’t think it’s so much a change in sensitivity so much as it’s easier to notice a sudden change in how you feel when you normally feel really good all the time. It’s kinda analogous to getting used to a bad smell. You go into the monkey house at the zoo and when you first go in, it smells terrible. But, then you get distracted and you stay in there for a while and you stop noticing the smell. When you leave and then come back in, the smell is terrible again. Second, your body has adaptive mechanisms for dealing with chronic exposure to anything. For example, you might have had more mucus production in the lining of your gut to deal with chronic gluten exposure. Your body doesn’t need that now, so it doesn’t have it, so it gets blindsided when you do eat some, hence the extra digestive symptoms.
The explanation I was given was basically that if you get sick gradually over time you start off not noticing symptoms because you haven’t accumulated much damage yet, but once you do get sick you have so overloaded your system that it can’t respond properly. It is too weak to tell you “hey, don’t eat that!” and eject the offender from your system.
Gluten specifically is tricky. No one is born with Celiac Disease, they are born with the genetic propensity towards it. Exposure to gluten gives them the disease.
What a great explanation!
There is another possible explanation: Enzymes are chains of amino acids (proteins) that are created by our cells using our DNA as a template. These enzymes act as microscopic factories that speed up chemical reactions, therefore they are catalysts. All food we eat requires specific enzymes for breakdown and absorption for each component of the food we eat. For example, starch is broken down into the simple sugar of which its made (glucose) by the enzyme amylase, while lactose in milk is broken down into its simple sugars (one galactose and one glucose) by the enzyme lactase. Our cells have been “designed” (either by evolution or by G-d, depending on your belief) to not waste resources, therefore if you don’t eat a certain food, like the lactose in milk, your body will slowly stop making the enzyme lactase that is needed to metabolize the lactose. So if you haven’t eaten any dairy in a long time, you may not have any lactase in your body. If you suddenly load up on dairy in your diet, without any lactase available, not much lactose will be metabolized, which means it will pass down into your lower digestive tract to (over) feed the bacteria there (as well as increase the osmotic pressure), resulting in gas, bloating, diarrhea and many other unpleasant symptoms. This could happen with wheat protein (gluten) as well if you stop eating wheat for a while, although its not going to feed the bacteria in the same way. Keep in mind that “dietary fiber” is nothing more than starch but that its glucose units are bonded together in such a way that we cannot break that bond easily as we do not have the necessary enzymes. Just like in the lactose example above, dietary fiber results in undigested and unabsorbed sugars passing down into the lower gut that overfeeds the bacteria there and can result in gas, bloating etc. Vague, uncomfortable, digestive symptoms like these are characteristic of hundreds of diseases and cannot be used as a definitive diagnosis for any single disorder.
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Thanks for your excellent contributions to the paleosphere!
Why are sweet potatoes “allowed” in some Paleo diets and not allowed in others? I understand here it is about SIBO, but I keep coming across this discrepancy on site after site.
We are just getting started with Paleo. Our family has a number of food sensitivities, so we are deleting nightshades, all dairy and eggs. I am trying to find out if sweet potatoes could be a nightshade so we don’t have an accidental exposure.
Thank you so much for this site. It is giving me a handle on how to address a variety of concerns.
Sweet potatoes are not the only controversial veggie. The reason for the controversy is the huge disparity in opinions regarding carbohydrate intake, with ketogenic diets on one end of the extreme and eating a large amount of carbohydrates from “safe starches” on the other end of the extreme. My own opinion on carbohydrates is that it’s highly individual what works for different people. I especially don’t like the idea of limiting carbohydrates for children. Sweet potatoes are a nutrient dense, complex carbohydrate. While starchy vegetables aren’t great for those with SIBO, they are a great source of slow-release carbohydrates for everyone else. I can only eat a small serving myself (because I’m recovering from SIBO) but I make sweet potatoes frequently for my family. They are not nightshades.
Thank you so much for the clarification. Now I understand!
[...] about bacterial overgrowth in the GI tract, specifically in the small intestine and the stomach. Here’s another, more recent mention. So it would seem here’s another reason starches are not awesome. Actually I’m not sure [...]
The third segment of the small intestine is the ileum; the jejunum is the second.
I’m having a face palm moment. Thanks for pointing that out (I am editing now to correct).
Thank you so much for all this great info
I’m heading towards a paleo AIP diet (about 80%) there. I have coeliac and AI hypothyroidism together with loads of other symptoms, including digestive, very likely SIBO. As I’m borderline underweight and hungry all the time and have low blood sugar issues, the one thing I really struggle with, is getting enough calories. I eat loads of protein and the good paleo fats, but I really struggle with getting enough food if I cut out starchy veg as well as grains. I’m intolerant to most cruciferous veg and can only eat squash in small amounts before I bloat up. Any suggestions would be very gratefully received! I’m loving this website…really inspiring me to keep going with cleaning up my diet
You might be stuck with proteins and fats as your dominant calorie source. How do you handle fruits, especially the higher glucose ones like bananas, plums, figs and date? Those ought be a good source of some extra calories without causing bloating.
I’m going to be honest and admit that internally I’m throwing a tantrum fit for a frustrated toddler over here right about now
I’m one of those for whom Paleo hasn’t proven to be a miraculous cure; without gluten my celiac/dermatitis herpetiformis is better, sure, but IBS stuff, arthritis, & acne (lovely) remain. I had thought FODMAPs were my issue, but removing/reducing those hasn’t resolved the gut issues either. Hypothyroidism rounds out my issues, though I’ve accepted the fact this will likely mean meds for life (& versus the horror that is life without them, I can deal with that). I discovered the AIP, here, earlier this weekend – and will implement it.
The missing piece to this jigsaw is SIBO, I believe – I’ve been in denial about that for months if honest with myself. The abdominal distension is my clue – as hard as a rubber ball, that’s exactly how it feels to the touch. At its worst it even makes breathing deeply difficult, there no room for my diaphragm to expand fully. Hence I know the answer is to trial the diet changes above … and the thought of everything I need to cut out is just overwhelming. I’m scared to eat; went grocery shopping earlier and was just so damn lost, and sad. I bought sardines and came home (it’s almost funny now, in hindsight),
Just venting, sorry – because the bottom line is that I’m incredibly grateful to have found you. Again, you’re an amazing resource. Thank you for what you do here. Eager to keep reading, and to hear your personal updates in particular.
Oh Sarah! I completely understand your frustration and anger! And dealing with SIBO through diet can be a slow road (but, I think probably more effective in the long run than using antibiotics). It does get easier as you go. You can eat non-starchy vegetables, as much as you want, better if cooked if you are having IBS symptoms. You can have some fruit, but don’t go nuts. And avoid any paleo baking. With all the other stuff you are dealing with, you might want to look at the autoimmune protocol, but if that is just too overwhelming right now, try this first. I find myself often making extra as supper for either my breakfast or lunch the next day (had a leftover hamburger patty for breakfast this morning with some vegetable juice). It does get easier, I promise! And especially once you start to feel better, sticking to it feels worth it, which also makes it easier. Be prepared for some die-off symptoms like diarrhea and stomach cramps. Eating antimicrobial foods like raw garlic (try and swallow a clove whole or cut into small bits with water), coconut oil (either cook with it or by the spoonful), oregano (you can supplement with a drop or two of oregano oil in a glass of water twice a day) can help speed the process too (and increase die-off symptoms, just as a head’s up). Bone broth and an L-glutamine supplement can help speed healing. Keep me posted on how you’re doing!
You made me cry … but good tears. Thank you, truly; you’re incredibly kind and that warmth really shines through your posts.
Today I will pull myself together, collate all your good advice, and make a plan to start tackling this more sensibly. Tantrums and sardines are no way to live!!
Well, sardines might be.
Hi Sarah,
Thank you so much for your blog – it’s great to have some science behind the recommended cures. Having followed a low starch diet for 6 weeks with no differnce I am now following the auto-immune, SIBO and FODMAP diets at the same time….. and I have a couple of questions about teas.
Can I still drink ginger tea? I know ginger is a starchy vegetable, but I was wondering whether just the juice would be a problem? You don’t mention licorice, but I was wondering about licorice tea too?
Can I still drink tea made with some of the banned AI spices such as cardamon or do you think I would still end up ingesting some of it?
Many thanks for your help,
Joanna
I think ginger tea is awesome. Licorice root tea is reported to help protect the lining of the gut by thickening the mucous layers, which can then help promote healing. I haven’t looked into exactly how this works, but I’ve been drinking some with no ill effects (although nothing miraculous either). I think seed based spices (especially the ones that don’t have any heat) are the least likely to cause problems, so it’s definitely worth playing with. I seem okay with most seed based spices (jurry is still out on cumin and pepper). But, if you are having alot of symptoms right now, the cleanest version of this diet would be avoiding seed based spices even in tea form (if your sensitive, you could still have a reaction).
Thank you so much for your speedy reply.
Jo
Hi, I was wondering where cauliflower fits into AIP, is it okay because I eat alot of it?
Yes,it’s great! Go ahead!
I don’t see regular potatoes listed on either list? I assume they are a no…
They are definitely a no. I didn’t include the becaue most people don’t consider them paleo.
I have a problem with every food on the AVOID list (bloating and reflux as the usual consequences) and butternut squash and pumpkin if I have a large amount but strangely enough white regular potatoes (I have no idea about sweet potatoes- I don’t like them) don’t trigger anything with me- I have no idea why! I don’t regularly consume them because I prefer low carb for improving energy levels. I suspect I may have SIBO and am having a follow-up appointment with a gastroenterologist later today after having had a gastroscopy to work out why I still have occasional reflux (though it has reduced VERY significantly from every 10-15 minutes to once a day on a paleo, no-starch-flour, diet). I trialled arrowroot, white rice flour and tapioca flour as “safe starches” but they wrecked havoc on my digestive system and after the white rice flour trial, my throat was so damaged from my reflux that I ended up with tonsillitis. I’m just crossing my fingers that I don’t end up having Barret’s oesophagus (big cancer risk factor) or an autoimmune disease called Eosinophilic esophagitis.
I tried GAPS intro about a year ago (I wasn’t really ready for it mentally) and about 5 days in I was nauseous and violently ill as if I had terrible viral gastroenteritis. I couldn’t deal with it and I quit and a few minutes after having something non GAPS-intro compliant (probably a raw fruit or carrot or something) I felt 100% better. The ordeal gave me the sense that my reaction was confirming that I do likely have SIBO.
What do you think of this (from Paul Jaminet’s site) as a reason why white potatoes might seem to be ok and even sometimes make my digestive system feel better?
“Flour-based foods may be problematic for more reasons than their lack of water. Last year, Ian Spreadbury proposed that “acellular carbohydrates” – carbohydrates that are not surrounded by cell walls and embedded within a cytoplasm – may be unhealthy because the carbs can feed bacteria in the upper digestive tract which can then infect important organs like the pancreas, gallbladder, liver, and small intestine. Cellular carbohydrates would be digested lower in the intestine, helping to maintain an antiseptic and healthy upper small intestine.”
Thanks for all the information on SIBO that you provide! I haven’t found such a rich source of information anywhere else.
My gastroenterologist said nothing showed up in my gastroscopy tests. He said that if I have SIBO, it’s nothing severe and certainly nothing they’d treat with antibiotics. I mentioned the protocol you outlined here and he said to give it a go to see if it helps- he’s seen other people where this type of protocol has helped. We discussed HCl supplementation and he said that some people have found that it works but others who considered it to be working have come in to him for follow up gastroscopies and have had massive stomach ulcers aggravated by the supplementation because there is no reliable way to control dosing at the moment. He recommends against it.
He’s also sending me to an immunologist to get tested for food sensitivities because he said that even though the testing will over-diagnose, that it will be a good starting point for an elimination diet. I asked about probiotics that have particularly good evidence and I figure I’d put them here for other people to see: Lactobacillus GG and VSL-3.
At the same time, my genetic test says I probably have celiac disease (tested negative for other genetic and blood markers of autoimmune diseases) and combined with the symptoms I had prior to being gluten-free, I’ve received a diagnosis of celiac disease soooo here’s a weird question:
Celiac disease is an autoimmune disease- Should someone with celiac disease automatically try the autoimmune protocol?
Hi Sarah,
Thanks for this. I’m sure I have SIBO along with auto-immune disease and every little other thing that can go wrong. This will help me make more changes. I’m confused about the following. “Dried fruit, except dried apricots, dates, raisins and prunes, is restricted.” If I’m AIP all dried fruit is out, right? Would it be reasonable to assume these fruits are better choices when I’m more healed?
I am sooooo confused. I don’t know where to start to heal leaky gut. When do you introduce foods you dont tolerate back into diet? I am also having trouble digesting beef pork as well as all fruits and some veggies. If I cook my veggies will it slow down digestion?
Cooking veggies make them easier to digest, which may help regulate transit time. Once you figure out all of the things that you aren’t tolerating and get them out of your diet, give feeling good 3-4 weeks before you start adding foods back. Depending on exactly what is going on in your body, it can be as quick as a month or it can take 6 months up to about 2 years.
Hi! Love love love love your blog!!!
Just wondering, i have found jicama actually helped my SIBO since it acts as a “prebiotic” and also has some soluble fiber… is it something that i need to avoid? I thought jicama was a low starch vegetable, wondering if i am wrong?
thanks again for this terrific blog, and for helping me heal so many autoimmune related conditions
Jicama has a lot of inulin fiber, which helps some people and in counterproductive for others. If you find it helps, keep going!
What’s the deal with FODMAPS with SIBO? Like onion?
For some people FODMAP intolerance can cause SIBO.
Can you tell me more about dates? I’m surprised that they are allowed because I perceive the fructose to be off the charts. I love dates, but I haven’t been eating them. Why should I eat, or not eat these? Thanks!
Dates are certainly high sugar, list most dried fruit. But, they actually have more glucose than fructose. And, they are actually much higher in monosaccharides compared to disaccharides and a good source of a number of vitamins and minerals. I think they are an excellent source of sugar for treats, you just need to be mindful of how much you’re eating.
Hi Sarah, I’ve left a couple of comments on your AI page (and thank you for your responses!!). I’m pretty sure I have leaky gut/dysbiosis, but one thing I’m STILL really confused on is whether I could have SIBO and/or FODMAPS issues. I don’t have coverage to get tested for SIBO but have some of the “symptoms.” But here’s the thing, the bloating I experience is in the lower area of my abdomen (more like beneath my belly button down to the hips/groin area) and not in the upper region (this is making me think I “just” have leaky gut and the laundry list of problems related to that, including perhaps FODMAPS but not SIBO). From what I’ve been reading on various “gut healing” sites, bloating, etc in the lower region is more of an enzymes/leaky gut issue and NOT SIBO. Don’t get me wrong, there are probably too many bad guys down there, but I pretty much never actually experience pain, bloating, etc in my actual stomach/lower intestine area (which I was told is in the upper region, closer to the belly button). If you could weigh in, that would be awesome. I’m trying to nail down which protocol to follow, which foods to eliminate and experiment with, etc. Again, thank you so much! I am so grateful to have found your blog.
They often go together, because FODMAP intolerance can cause SIBO (starts as overgrowth in your large intestine but can then migrate up). However, as I research for the book, there’s a really good amount of literature supporting a low FODMAP approach for SIBO (and no studies supporting the low starch approach, although it is still used by clinicians). My general recommendation would be avoiding high inulin fiber foods (sweet potatoes, coconut, Jerusalem artichokes), not going nuts on fruit or starchy vegetables, and then adding digestive enzymes with each meal.
wonderful – thank you! I was thinking that I’d start with the major fodmaps (particularly the foods I already know I have some sensitivities too) and work on being 100% diligent in keeping out eggs and all nuts and working on keeping sugary fruits/foods low. I guess at the end of the day, even if I have sibo-like symptoms in a different region of my body (so it’s technically not sibo), it’s still unpleasant and I want to heal and get things back in proper working order! Thanks again
- Sarah, have you heard of the “Buteyko Breathing Technique” ? I wanted to bring this up in the future but a comment on this page concerning SIBO and diaphragmatic breathing made me curious.
Basically it has been researched that almost over 60% of all people hyperventilate without knowing (breathing heavily, fast trough the chest. Shallow breathing). Since o2 is basically a toxin in the blood, the more and heavier you breath the LESS actual Co2 reaches your body and brain. What this means is that your body become acidic , has a decreased immune system and becomes a source of potential diseases.
I really recommend taking a look into it since it has been helping me
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- I would like to point out that my energy levels went up dramatically after introducing more carbs in my diet. In my case this was “Sweet potato” (cooked). I have to note here that it was essential for me to increase my carb because my weight reached the “underweight” position. It could have been that I felt better not because of the extra carbs itself but the result of me gaining weight from it.
However, I would get bloating and inflammation from a single Banana (on empty stomach). Just shows how everybody has to experiment for themselves.
- I *highly* suspect I have SIBO also. The autoimmune protocol has helped me a bit but it is VERY hard to combine with a weight gaining diet. I am almost certain that my 4 meals a day (1 time fish, 2meat, 1 soup) isn’t helping my SIBO but than again I do not have a choice (have to gain weight).
Sarah,
Thanks for all of this great info. I have recently been diagnosed with SIBO and I am also Lactose Intolerant, and I am pretty sure I have a super strong wheat/gluten intolerance (but NOT Celiac). The part I am most confused about is blood sugar levels. If one is potentially pre diabetic, then how does the style of eating for SIBO affect this? I feel like I am starving all the time and have lost weight because of no carbs. If the goal is to keep blood sugar levels stable as well as starve the bacteria for SIBO, how do these work together? I hear you should eat 3 big meals, but that goes against the thinking of eating more often for blood sugar stability. Thanks so much!
Even for prediabetes, it is better for insulin sensitivity to eat bigger meals spaced farther apart. Make sure you are eating lots of non starchy veggies, good fats and good proteins. I’ve been researching the recommendations from this post for my book, and there’s actually no scientific literature to support it (although plenty of annecdotal evidence). What has been well researched is a low FODMAP approach, so that’s actually where I would recommend starting, which means including some starchy vegetables with your meals is something you could do.
Sarah, thanks for this great website: I have been devouring it all morning
A couple of yes/no food questions: In your Autoimmune article you mentioned to avoid raw cruciferous veggies, radishes, spinach, etc. Are you saying that I shouldn’t eat raw radishes or spinach either, or is it just the cauliflower, broccoli that need to be cooked?
Second question: in your chart, I don’t see carrots, celery stalks or hearts of palm.
Third: I’ve been taking a tincture which is alchohol based, for liver support. Should I avoid this on for SIBO? You mentioned that even just a little alchohol is like a little wheat for celiacs.
So, the autoimmune protocol has been updated. I do not recommend avoiding cruciferous veggies at all anymore. Carrots, celery and palm hearts area all okay. The amount of alcohol in a tincture is probably fine.
Thanks so much for your site and support. Didn’t see mangoes on your list above – wondering if they are to avoid for any reason?
Over past months I’ve made amazing progress with symptoms by eliminating foods but still have a ways to go (I have Hashimoto – not tested for anything else). Currently almost 4 wks on AIP but surprised to find I get terrible reactions to meat and fish – except wild salmon, which I therefore eat every day. (Until 6 mths ago, always happily ate meat & fish –presently take 2 days to recover.) Now being entirely grain and bean free combined with this meat problem, I’ve lost too much weight. Really need to put some back on. Any advice?
-Apart from vit D, I’m not taking any supplements/probiotics – am willing but don’t wish to take the wrong thing/amounts as Dr not on board.
Will try smaller servings.
-Recently discovered coconut butter in hope of adding calories, but suspecting coconut is not my friend
I personally don’t do well with coconut (I get very bloated). I would suggest trying some new meats you haven’t had in a long time (emu, bison, goat, duck, rabbit, whatever is new for you). Sensitivities are common with a very leaky gut.
I’m actually getting ready to retract my recommendations to hold back on starchy vegetables during the AIP, so I would suggest playing with adding those back in. Mangoes should be fine, but they are high fructose, so don’t eat too much.
Other ways to increase calories is fats (avocadoes, olives, avocado oil, olive oil, pastured lard, grass-fed tallow, red palm oil, coconut oil, etc.). Increasing starchy vegetables should help too.
The only two supplements you may want to consider are digestive support supplements (specifically digestive enzymes) and probiotics (I like Prescript-Assist). If sleep is an issue for you, you could also try a magnesium supplement before bed (I use magnesium glycinate from premier labs). But, if you’re seeing good results, you might not need any supplements.
Thanks so much for your response – will help me keep moving forward. Really appreciate it. Do I still look for non-grain fed (100% grass-fed/pastured/wild) for other meats too? Also if something only makes me bloated (nothing worse) is it still best to drop it for now? And is it a good idea to get ‘tested’ for a leaky gut? Thanks. Looking forward to your book.
Yes, although you’ll actually find it easier to source those other meats grass-fed or pasture-raised.
Depends on why the bloating and how much there is. For now, it would be better to avoid those foods (or cut the amount you eat down). If its just excess gas production, it’s not as damaging as if its actual bacteria overgrowth, but since you generally can’t really tell one way or the other, trying to minimize foods that make you bloated is the only way to go.
It’s only worth getting tested for leaky gut (or related things like SIBO or fructose malabsorption) if that’s going to change what you do. There are treatment options for SIBO (strong non-absorbable antibiotics followed by probiotics and a strict Paleo diet) and fructose malabsorption (low FODMAP diet), but you are kind of already doing everything you need to for leaky gut.
Thanks so much.
Um ok, I’m at a complete loss… What should I eat??
No to nightshades.
No to a calorically significant amount of fruits.
No to grains/pseudo-grains/nuts/seeds and pulses.
No to most veggies.
No to the few remaining fruits/veggies unless they’ve been cooked.
So then what… an essentially very low-carb diet?
But that has it’s own list dangers including depletion of water and glycogen stores in the short term, completely screwed up metabolism, and many others in the long term.
I’ve experienced the first 2 within days of starting a low-carb diet. I was literally peeing every 1 hr., and many times during the night. And was experiencing extreme lethargy. At the end of the week I had an episode where I nearly passed out, it was scary. Plus I started having breakouts on my face.
I have hypothyriod, Raynauds syndrome, PCOS, and the worst of all chronic constipation and bloating due to SIBO. Gluten/dairy/refined sugar free cleared up eczema, fibro pain, migraines, stomach pains, and helped with heartburn.
I’ve also been able to identify tomatoes contribute to eczema, and possibly peppers, also to heartburn. For sure onions, garlic, cruciferous veggies cause bloating and worse constipation. For sure allergic to honeydew and watermelon. Citrus irritates my skin and causes rashes but eating oranges does seem to help with constipation, but only if I eat a very large amount.
I need to exercise in order to help with insulin sensitivity but in order to do so I need to get in enough calories. Plus I need bulk to help w/ constipation.
Xifaxan did nothing whatsoever for me. VSL#3 did nothing for me. Align and Fem-dophilis helped for a while but then stopped. I’m up to taking 2000+mg of magnesium per day and even that doesn’t always help. Saline enemas give some relief but I don’t want to get habituated to them. Interestingly, I was taking Fem-dophilis last Oct.-Dec. and I thought I was cured, even had a period, stopped taking the Magnesium, but it didn’t last.
I know it’s all individual but I don’t even know where to begin?
Do have any advice for me? I’d be most appreciative.
Okay, so first, I am not a doctor and I can only give you my ideas of where to start. Second, I will be updating the Autoimmune Protocol soon, but that if you haven’t read that page yet, that’s the best place to start. Basically, eat meat, fish, shellfish, organ meat, veggies of all kinds (except maybe FODMAPs since you know that onions and garlic cause bloating, but I recommend starting with inclusion of starchy vegetables exactly because of the problems that can be caused by going too low card), 2-4 servings of fruit per day (keeping fructose below 20g per day), fermented vegetables, healthy fats (grass-fed and pasture-raised animal fats, fatty fish, avocado, olive, coconut), glycine-rich foods like bone broth. You could try a mix of raw and cooked veggies, which works for most people. If you are getting a lot of intact identifiable raw veggie matter in your stool, then switch to all cooked. I would definitely suggest trying digestive enzymes with your meals (and talk to a doctor about other digestive support supplement options like betaine HCl and ox bile) and trying Prescript-Assist as a probiotic. Sleep and stress management are also critical.
Thank you. I’m sort of in the same boat as jessie… Looking forward to any more details about this in the future. Like, what kind of starchy vegetables, and how much, if you believe you have SIBO and some FODMAP foods cause difficulty? I’m looking forward to your book. I know it will be great!
Thanks PaleoMom for your reply! Your suggestions seem to be a sensible place to start.
On a side note, I just listened to a podcast on FODMAPs/SCD/GAPS given by a Dr. who ONLY treats people for SIBO and nothing else.. she mentioned that nearly all of her patients have issues digesting starches and only a moderate amount of patients have problems with fructose.
After hearing this I considered getting a fructose malabsorbtion breath test (so far I’ve only had the lactulose test), but even if I do FM, I’d still have to test to see how much I can tolerate so I don’t think it’d be worth it. I think it’s probably best to stick to small amounts throughout the day, 2-4 servings as paleomom suggests, and stick to low fructose fruits.
I will try out some starchy veggies, just enough to prevent VLC symptoms. I will let you know know, Rachael, which ones. I’m glad for this comments section so we can communicate what works/doesn’t work and maybe help others with similar issues.
I too am looking forward to the book and also the updated auto-immune page.
Thanks again!
I’m plantain OBSESSED. It’s my birthday on Friday and I definitely plan on making these as a breakfast treat;)